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A response I gave to a confused Oneness Pentecostal that has been trying to defend his position of Modalism and now tries to defend what he believes he needed was an experience.
You are absolutely right. It was a horrible life growing up in a “trinitarian” baptist “church” and feeling the call of GOD on my life and a hunger and a thirst of GOD’s righteousness that no one could guide because no one has experienced it. But I found grace in GOD’s eyes and HE led me to a group of people that still believed “trinitarian” but believed that I could receive the Holy Ghost. And these were the Assembly of God church. After receiving the Holy Ghost like the bible says and not some profane group of people says I was much appreciative for that experience. Something was calling me higher, not to stay in that little city. After the revelation of the Mighty GOD in Christ I am content. Content not satisfied!
Below is a comment that was submitted to me by a member of the Apostolic Church. A heretical church who denies the Trinity, believes in being baptized in the “name of Jesus” is the only correct way, and believes that speaking in angelic utterances is evidence of the Holy Ghost therefore evidence that you are saved (i.e. A Christian).“The book of Romans was written to the church in rome. Again you get into the church through JESUS CHRIST Acts 2:38. So the church in Rome had received that conversion experience that Rome is lacking today. Right, not all of Isreal is Isreal same principle when JESUS said in Mat7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. How can HE be LORD if you are not baptized in the name of JESUS?”
If you are short on time fast forward to the time marked 9:45. That’s really where Clifton LeJeune starts his part of this video. The other 2 aren’t of concern because at the head of this whole “project” is Clifton LeJeune. Listen to him and notice the point of what he has said “Love God”. If you love God you will DO his law. (more…)
Speaking with a Modalist (Those who reject the doctrine of the Trinity) over the Gospel they gave me an interesting illustration. It follows:
Take for example, you are in your house with your wife and your son. Some men barge into the house and say “If you want your wife to live, your son will have to die!”
The person telling me the story breaks from it, then asks “Now is that the Gospel? God sending someone else to die for someone else isn’t love!”
My initial response was “You’re correct.”
What they were right about wasn’t the illustration. Because the illustration is stupid and frankly I don’t know what they were trying to say is happening. They were correct because the one thing they said rightly was that it was NOT the Gospel. The reason is was not the Gospel, was because the person using this silly illustration obviously didn’t understand the Gospel nor what Scripture had to say in regards to the event of the Cross.
Perhaps the best way to understand this is to properly understand what did happen on the Cross then it is easier to see what didn’t happen on the cross.
The popular verse in Isaiah 53.10 says:
Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him;
he has put him to grief;
when his soul makes an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
This prophetic verse written to speak of Christ, tells of the Father crushing His Son. This is key in understanding, take note that all heresies fall apart at the cross. Modalism, is no exception.
If Christ pays for the sins of the elect, how does he pay for those? Did the soldiers whipping him, pulling his beard, and thrusting a spear in his side count for the eternal punishment of all believers. The physical pain inflicted by sinful men would equal eternal punishment sufficient for all mankind and satisfy the wrath of God?
The clear and better understanding, is that God the Father placed on God the Son, the eternal punishment that would be sufficient for all mankind. It was God the Father who would have to execute the judgment because He is the one who has been offended.
God the Son paid the price willingly. He wasn’t taken and forced into this as a child kicking and screaming.
“For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
The illustration at the beginning of the discussion starts to become obviously wrong. Because that is not what the Gospel communicates. In their story, a crime is being committed. Men have broken into a house and seized a child. They are threatening to kill a child for a woman to live. This is not the Gospel! This illustration doesn’t even make sense.
What the Modalist fails to see is that men are condemned by God already. All men are sinners because we’ve broken His law. He is angry at their sin and judgment will come. But God in His compassion and grace God enters creation and pays the penalty man owes. A penalty man could never pay. The Cross is a cosmic act transcending all history. A proper understanding of the Triune nature of God ends up being a solution and not a problem.
It wasn’t too long ago I had an interesting discussion with Clifton LeJeune. He’s a pastor at a church in Louisiana called Jesus Worship Center click here for website. I noticed on his church’s website there was no statement of faith, no beliefs or anything. This is always suspect to me. I would never recommend attending a church that didn’t post a statement of faith even if it was simple. So I sent a basic e-mail inquiring why this was so. I eventually made a point to call him and it was upon discussion that I learned of the good reason of not posting their beliefs. They held heretical doctrines. That is to say, they held doctrines that are outside the norm of Christianity for the last 2000 years. (more…)